TRUE street class, give us your ideas!

[oldsmobility]

Great Idea.
If power adders are allowed then why an ET break?
Easy enough to break 11.50 w/ nitrous and/or turbo!
Rollbar, why not? swing out door bars are easy enough.
Besides it's a safety issue.
Maybe you would like to run w/o helments? Don't see many street car drivers wearing them going up & down the street.
All cars should have factory style seat belts as harness' are not legal on the street.
JMO

[ksj1]

Heres a series that runs at Kansas City with success.They used to have a floating index which I thought was better Still a neat series.Just my 02
vampracing.no-ip.com/nuke/

[pfanenstielracing]

I beleve the cruise is a good idea, but i think it should be optional. Or maybe somthing where everybody meets for lunch at sonic before the race and maybe drives around town for a bit. I drive about 60 miles to Great Bend to race and the last thing i would want to do is drive around and burn more of that expensive fuel.

[86orangenotch]

I dont think there should be an et break. FOXROD that posted is a fast car and is legal for anything and it is a true street car and is very fast dont know if any of you have heard of him.

Cage there should be a different break maybe 10.50-11.0 for a cage? Harnesses are no big deal, you have them your run them. Because there is a lot of guys out there that have them just so they can race to abide by the rules when there is no class like this.

I love this idea, dont care if its bracket allthough id like to see some heads up classes at SRCA in the future. You guys just have no idea how fun it is.

[86orangenotch]

I like this class's rules.


DRAG RADIAL RULES

1. Run on .4t pro tree—1/8 mile.
2. Motor—-any automotive internal comb engine allowed.
3. Power Adder— Any single type power adder allowed. You may not combine power adders ex. nitrous plus turbo.
4. Fuel—-Any gasoline or alcohol type fuel permitted.
5. Transmission—-any transmission allowed.
6. Body—Body must be of factory produced material ex. Corvette must be original fiberglass. Aftermarket panels allowed—Hood, decklid, bumpers. Must have factory firewall and factory floorpan to rear of backseat.
7. Glass—Must have factory windshield. Drivers and Passenger window must roll up and down in factory manor.
8. Interior—-Must have factory dash, Drivers and passenger seat may be aftermarket. Rear seat may be removed, but area must be carpeted or upholstered. Must have finished appearing door panels.
9. Frame-Suspension—Must have factory frame rails from front to rear of rear seat. Must have stock front suspension. Aftermarket bolt-ons allowed. Change to rack-n-pinion is allowed. Any rear suspension allowed. No wheelie bars. No wheel /driveshaft Sensors allowed. No traction control devices allowed. NO bracket racing aids allowed.
10. Inspection—-Must pass track inspection. All cars must have working headlights and taillights in factory location. Brake lights and turn signals must Operate. All cars must have exhaust running through mufflers.
11. Tires—Drive tires must be a dot approved drag radial. 275 or smaller—-turbos and supercharged cars 295 or smaller—Nitrous cars 315/325 or bigger—-Naturally aspirated cars.
12. Legality of any car is final decision of Vamp officials.


DRAG RADIAL PAYOUT


WIN $350.00
RUNNER-UP $150.00
SEMIS/10 cars $75.00

[Big Alski]

A floating index would be cool, but I'm not sure we'd have enough cars to fill out the field equally like K.C. probably does. In my opinion a bracket style race seems to suit SRCA extremely well. Sammy had a heads up race back in Aug. at his playday, it was fun, but the field just wasn't big enough to get equal cars matched.

As far as an E.T. break, you guys are right, there are a LOT of cars out there that can easily blow through the cage rule, and are still respectable street driven cars. However, it seems the true meaning of this class is to keep cars that are more towards the daily driven, stock looking appearance. Having a full roll cage, harness and running 10's is, with all respect, is on the extreme side. I would think that people with that setup would maybe want to run in a more challenging class like PRO.

Thanks for the opinions guys! Let's keep this alive and kicking!

Looks like we're getting a rough frame of the basics, I'll try and get some sort of link setup with a rough copy that we can keep modifying till we get to a general agreement. Like Rich stated, I would assume by Jan. or so would be the deadline.

[86orangenotch]

So you guys saying that a car that goes high 10's without a cage wont be able to race or a totally streetable low 9 second car with everything to make it legal is allowed either?

[Big Alski]

Yes, they would be, but would have to dial 11.50 or slower. It's no different than guys running sub 12's dialing into sportsman now. The class is about more entry-level cars, if you have a sub 11 sec. I just don't see that being an entry-level, daily driven rain, snow, I take it out of town car. Not saying they aren't out there, cause we all know they are, but those people should be competing more with cars in their class. Plus, if we're going to stipulate a max tire size, i'm not sure how safe launching a car with limited traction like that would be, provided we haven't really touched on rear suspension rules yet.

[86orangenotch]

The car that runs 9's hooks on the street on et streets so ya, it moves out. He drove it from Wichita to Hutch, Drives it from his house to track pulling a trailer with it runs low 9's( 8's next year) and drives it home. It is a street car. Have you seen the pump gas drags in hot rod or the power tour or anything like that. Faster street cars are all over the place.

My car only goes 12.50's n/a and I can drive it anywhere but with the nitrous I hope to be low 11's high 10's to be more competitive in the heads up races at Wichita.

Being that its bracket racing I dont think it sould matter what the car runs. You guys would get geo metros out there schooling you all if you get down to it. If you want an entry level class then there is a true street class already going for beginners. Sportsman is an entry level class.

What I would really like to see is index style or heads up. The fastest car doesnt always win, trust me from experience. Other cars break or arent able to make the call.

Im not doing this to insult anyone.

Also rear suspension should be stock style, no full tubs, no wheelie bars, no ladder bars, etc...
mini tubs should be allowed.

[Big Alski]

No offense taken Chris, this is what it's all about, you're giving some great ideas and making some good points!

I see your point, and you are correct.

It IS bracket racing, so E.T. really doesn't matter, and yes, I have personally been schooled by a stock 4 dr, 18 sec. grocery getter.

Heads up is fun, and most of the time cars break, poor driving ect, but in my opinion isn't as fun and competitive as bracket.

Sportsman is def. an entry level class, but lacks a few rules that are needed to distinguish true street cars from non street cars, and that's what we're all trying to do.

I like the current True Street class, but the E.T. break seems too slow, much the same situation you and I are talking about now.

-EDIT

By saying sportsman is an entry level class, i am referring to it being a class that people with any level of car can enter, be it a stripped down 2000lb car, ect. not saying the participants themselves are entry level or that the cars, not matter what form are wrong in any way. I know just as well as anyone that there are some really really good people/cars in that class.

[86orangenotch]

Thats what I was getting at is the current true street isnt really true street its for first year racers and the et break is slow.

We need something for all the street cars. Why not an index style racing format? Run the first one as bracket and then see how many cars we have and then possibly do a index style. Its still bracket but your paired with cars running close to the same as you.

I do believe poweradders should be allowed and there should be no et break as long as the car meets all the rules.

[slowgoat]

Good luck guys..
Sounds like you still have months to get this deal ironed out
And as always everyone has different opinions on what it will take to make this class work

00z28 - I am one of these guys that you talk about in post #22
Daily driven '05 60k miles, rain,snow,sunshine driven sub 11sec. Street car with NO cage
that would love to attend IF it was a heads-up deal..
Anyone can Bracket race anything anytime anywhere, I think that kind of defeats the purpose
of a True Street class.. Just my Opinion

Your going to get your car count by going out and recruiting people, Not by sitting on the Internet talking.. Your going to have to make it affordable and fun for everyone and alot
of your people that race on the street have not been to the track and bracket raced or have any concept of what that is

Just my 2 cents

[Big Alski]

Nov 13, 2008 10:34:21 GMT -5 86orangenotch said:

Thats what I was getting at is the current true street isnt really true street its for first year racers and the et break is slow.

We need something for all the street cars. Why not an index style racing format? Run the first one as bracket and then see how many cars we have and then possibly do a index style. Its still bracket but your paired with cars running close to the same as you.

I do believe poweradders should be allowed and there should be no et break as long as the car meets all the rules.

In retrospect Chris, these ideas are good!

So long as it's a True street car, meaning no electronics like cars that normally run in a 10 sec. class would have, that my friend would be fair no matter the E.T.

I personally am not against power adders whatsoever.

Also, I know that most don't want caged cars in this class, but the fact is there truly are a lot of street cars that can push through this without many mods, so the E.T. break, in my revised opinion should be lower.

I agree. Run the 1st season bracket. If the turnout is large enough to have a field, that would be the best of both worlds. I do enjoy the heads up aspect as it is very similar to street racing so long as the field is good.

Getting a LOT of good ideas here guys, thank you both Chris and Deric!

[86orangenotch]

slowgoat makes some good points also. Him and another guy are the ones that got the last event at Wichita off the ground and I dont remember how many cars we had but there was well over 35.

They all had a good time. Heres how we did it there. Same rules as above mentioned. Cage was allowed to slide though. Street tires/no full tubs/street cars
They made 3 back to back rounds no sandbagging qualifying then they run heads up and people who lose first round enter into a second(losing bracket) There was a payout for both classes. This turned out well and everybody liked it.

I like heads up. I do believe thats what will turn out the best. I have nothing against bracket racing but theres already plenty of classes for that at SRCA.

Hers another link for you to look at it. If it is a street car class it should be heads up. There are a few people in this forum that would come if it was heads up and not bracket.

www.wichitaracing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66289

[Big Alski]

Nov 13, 2008 10:47:08 GMT -5 slowgoat said:

Good luck guys..
Sounds like you still have months to get this deal ironed out
And as always everyone has different opinions on what it will take to make this class work

00z28 - I am one of these guys that you talk about in post #22
Daily driven '05 60k miles, rain,snow,sunshine driven sub 11sec. Street car with NO cage
that would love to attend IF it was a heads-up deal..
Anyone can Bracket race anything anytime anywhere, I think that kind of defeats the purpose
of a True Street class.. Just my Opinion

Your going to get your car count by going out and recruiting people, Not by sitting on the Internet talking.. Your going to have to make it affordable and fun for everyone and alot
of your people that race on the street have not been to the track and bracket raced or have any concept of what that is

Just my 2 cents

Respectfully taken, and I apologize if that post was offensive, it wasn't meant to be.

And you guys are right, a lower E.T. break would be better, after getting a little more info, a lot of people agree to this, BUT only if it were bracket or a large field heads-up.

And no, I haven't bracket raced more than maybe 5 times. That's what this is about, get us guys from the Friday T&T's to the Sat. races. So yea, i'm a little new but you guys are getting the ideas across to me.

And I do get out and talk to people. For the Sammy Matthews race I personally handed out over 100 flyers from here to McPherson, stopping in each town and trying to find local hangouts and old friends, and plan to do the same with this.